Supercoach 2014 turncoats – Colin Sylvia

Colin Sylvia supercoach 2014

Good day community and welcome to this second edition of our pre-preseason analysis of traded players.

Today will look at the very first official trade of this trade period involving one, Colin Sylvia.

Colin Sylvia - dreamin

Trade: Melbourne to Fremantle
2013 Average: 86.11
2014 Starting Price: $443,000 (approx.)

When Paul Roos was announced as the Demons head coach in the off season, I wondered if Sylvia would hang around for the next chapter in the club’s history. I’m sure Paul Roos would have done everything he could to persuade him to stay but I don’t think anyone can begrudge him the move to Fremantle.

He has had 10 years now at Melbourne and in that time he has only experienced finals football once, all the way back in 2006. I am guessing the then 20 year Sylvia couldn’t have envisioned the lack of success the club was about to experience over the next 7 years. So when a club who is most probably going to be playing finals for the duration of the three year contract they are offering you comes along, and a serious flag contender at that, I think I’d have come to the very same decision that Colin has made.

You won’t find too many people that will dispute that Sylvia is a great football talent. However he finds himself in that bracket of players that hasn’t fully lived up to their potential, and maybe unfairly so. Drafted at pick three in 2003 expectations were always very high and after showing glimpses of class in his early years at the Dees, the consistency of performance never really followed and the glimpses remained just that, glimpses.

From a fantasy point of view, this obvious talent has had many of us sucked in over the years. However like his on field performances his fantasy scores were also inconsistent and he remained the proverbial flirt, never quite breaking into the elite bracket.

The table below shows Sylvia’s SC performances over the last 5 seasons.

Colin Sylvia 2

His best Supercoach season was back in 2011 but apart from that near premium year from Colin all his other averages have fallen between 80 and 90 points. It is also worth noting Sylvia has never played a full 22 rounds of football in his career to date, and he is now going into his 10th season.

If we quickly have a look at his stats over the last three years we can see where he is falling short from becoming a premium Supercoach player and if there is any area’s we can see him improving at Fremantle.

Colin Sylvia 3

The first obvious stat we can look at as to why he has never broken into the premium bracket is simply his disposal numbers. He has never averaged above 20 disposals a game. 2011 was his best year in this department where he managed an even 20 disposals a game.

Then there is the problem of when he does get it he doesn’t use it very well. Although he has been talked up as a quality ball user and an intelligent footballer his stats don’t quite show this. His best disposal efficiency over the last three years again came in 2011 when he had a modest effective disposal percentage of 68.5%. Last season it was only 63.9%. The clanger count is also high, coming in at an average of one clanger for every 7.2 disposals Sylvia has had over the last three years.

The rest of his stats aren’t too bad but like the perception of much of Sylvia’s career to date, they are pretty average in comparison to the elite performers of the competition.

Now we all know that a change of club has transformed players fantasy scores in the past but can we expect Sylvia to finally break into the premium category under the guidance of his new coach, Ross Lyon at Fremantle?

The two club’s fortunes couldn’t have been much further apart last season. As we know Fremantle made it to the Grand final, while Melbourne managed just two wins all year and narrowly avoided the wooden spoon. So as you might expect the two clubs stats are also very far apart. Let’s have a look at their comparisons and see if there any obvious areas we can see improvement in Sylvia’s stats at his new club.

Colin Sylvia 4

As you can see Melbourne only beat Fremantle in two categories. They won more free kicks and had more rebound 50’s, which would make a lot of sense since the ball spent so much time inside Melbourne’s defensive 50. They occasionally won the ball in there and kicked it out, but as we all remember it didn’t take too long to get back in there.

The easy thing to assume is that because Sylvia has moved to a new club that gets more of the ball, uses it better, has more clearances, more inside 50s, more tackles and more goals that these stats will trickle down to Sylvia and all his stats will go up as a result. This is a very dangerous assumption to make and one that could have a very negative outcome for your Supercoach or AFL Fantasy team. We’ll have to look a little closer at Fremantle to be able to speculate as to where Sylvia might improve, or if he improve at all.

First up, while Sylvia has played a lot of time through the midfield at Melbourne, I actually don’t think he will get very much time in there with his new club. In fact I wonder if Sylvia would be at Fremantle at all if it was the Dockers who took out last year’s flag instead of the Hawks? I say this because I feel Sylvia was brought to Fremantle to give them more composure inside their forward 50. Fremantle had their chances in last year’s final but failed to take their opportunities and as a result came up short. I assume they will hope Sylvia will bring them that class and composure to be able to take their chances, instead of blazing away.

Fremantle’s midfield is pretty handy as it is, with the likes of Fyfe, Barlow, Mundy, Crowley, Hill, Mzungu etc. This midfield core might just be a little bit more threatening than Melbourne’s core, and so I really can’t see Sylvia playing as much time in the middle as he did at Melbourne.

Instead I expect to see him as an almost permanent forward. Fremantle aren’t exactly an inside 50 machine either and although this might be an area they will aim to improve on in 2014 they actually only ranked 15th in the competition for inside 50’s. Surprisingly they only had St Kilda, GWS and Melbourne below them in this category. That being the case, it would be very hard to see Sylvia’s disposal count increase and if anything we might even see it decline.

On the positive side of things Colin as always been very good at applying pressure at the breakdown and has averaged over 4.5 tackles a game with Melbourne over the last three years. This is one area of his game I can see improving at his new club as Fremantle rank very high when it comes to average tackles per game. They sat 6th in the competition last year. I suspect Sylvia will be utilised to apply forward pressure at Fremantle and we could very well see his average tackle count closer to 5 a game next year.

Also if I am correct that he will play a lot more time forward next year then it will be easy to assume he will kick a lot more goals, especially playing in a more successful team. He only averaged 0.5 goals a game last season, and in his best season in 2011 he averaged 1.3 goals a game. I expect he will be more in line with another Fremantle forward in 2014, in the shape of Hayden Ballantyne and average 1.6 or more goals a game.

This all being said I don’t see the improvement in both the tackle count and goal tally offsetting his low disposal numbers, and I can’t foresee Sylvia breaking out into premium fantasy player at his new club. Instead I see his current averages remaining pretty close to the averages he has amassed during his career to date. If he starts training with the midfield group, and gets a lot of time in the guts in the preseason I might have to reconsider but I really don’t see that happening.

The Mad Irishman’s Verdict

2013 Predicted Status: Strong Midpricer
Predicted Average 2014: 87-92 points
Status: Not Considered

Final Word

Just can’t see him getting enough of the ball in a Fremantle team to push him up near to a premium fantasy player. Starting the year fully priced he just doesn’t offer an incentive to put him in my team and for those reasons I won’t be considering Sylvia in my team in 2014. Will you?

Mick The Mad Irishman

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  1. Remy says:

    Hi Mick, what are your thoughts on Jack Gunston? Ripping finals series…

    • Ripping finals serious for sure. However the dynamics down at the Hawks have changed, now that Buddy is gone. The Hawks opponent put their best defender on Buddy, their next best on Roughy and matched up as they saw fit on the rest. Next year Gunston gets a lot more attention. Saying that with the form he showed at the tail end of last season I can see him taking a lot of confidence into 2014 and will improve on his average of 82.9 from 2013.
      Could average 85-89pts in 2014 but will never be a premium fantasy player.
      Priced at 426k I don't see him as a valid option.

      • jimbotraralgon says:

        just a little too awkward in his price young gunston. $100k less would have my attention but will only be a bit player up forward……much like Breust is…..might get the occassional big score but will be far too inconsistent each week to take seriously.

  2. jimbotraralgon says:

    Fully agree. Just not going to break out now….bit passed his best. Might play a similar role to zorko and he averaged 80-85. Bigger fish to fry.

    • Marc says:

      That's looking like a really good comparison going into next year. Definite avoid if that is the case!

  3. Maso says:

    maybe a mid season fling when his price dips close to 300k and then move him on

    • Maso,
      If he goes that low then he will get a look of attention from the bargain hunters out there. However if he does drop that low it will be for good reason – not performing – so would you really want him in your team ??

  4. throttlefinger says:

    "Fremantle’s midfield is pretty handy as it is". Yep. Can't see any reason to bring him in unless Docs have another spat of injuries. Just can't justify and more promising players (e.g. Libby and Jack Steven) that can deliver out there.

  5. jimbotraralgon says:

    And Ross can't be trusted!

    • Marc says:

      I still have Broughton nightmares. I remember being at a Freo game in Melbourne a couple of years ago where he started him as a forward tagger (I cried), moved him into the midfield at the start of the 3rd quarter (I cheered), let him grab 8-9 quick possessions (I fist pumped) and then subbed him off (I burned an effigy of Lyon after the game).

  6. Blueprime says:

    Had Sylvia in my team 3 years ago and he let me down. Have not even considered the past 2 seasons and he probably wont get a look in this year either.

  7. Marc says:

    I'll join the group and also say he won't be one i'll be looking at.

    It's interesting what you've said about Sylvia being recruited to spend time in Freo's 50, rather than being a midfielder. I wonder if even just from that perspective that even if he still gets the pill 20 times a game his scores will still decrease, or stay static at best as if you look at his Footywire profile, the 3 things he ranked in the top 20 were

    Ranked 18th in Total Bounces
    Ranked 19th in Bounces Per Game
    Ranked 16th in Inside 50s Per Game

    All 3 of which he probably won't repeat if he spends his time as a forward, though I could see him jump up into the top 15-20 tacklers in the comp next year if he does a lot of chasing in the forward 50 (an increase of 1.5 tackles a game would see him jump into the top 10 based on this years stats).

    Anyway, that starting price of $443,000 (approx.) is too awkward for me, even if there was some chance for improvement in his game, which appears to be minimal at best. Good signing for Freo, not for SuperCoach purposes though.

    • Marc, as we hammer home here at the Jock Reynolds community, there is no better research than your own. Great to see you back up what I'm saying with research of your own.
      If Sylvia was some how going to average close to 20 possessions in a game playing forward and then increases his tackles and goal numbers like we predict he might then he will definitely inrease his SC average to close on 100pts a game. My biggest concern is that he won't get the pill that many times playing in a Dockers forward line.
      These were the average disposal numbers of Fremantle's top four forwards last season.
      1Michael Walters15.43
      2Matthew Pavlich 14.17
      3Hayden Ballantyne13.14
      4Christopher Mayne 16.17

      Just can't see Sylvia bucking that trend

      • Marc says:

        No, as those 4 forwards show, that 12-15 possesion range does look likely for Sylvia, which would limit his scores to the 90's. After looking at Jimbo's comment about Sylvia being a Zorko type, the stats actually do match up pretty neatly with what you're predicting. 2012 Zorko averaged 19 possessions, 4.6 marks, 6.4 tackles and 1 goal a game, which had his average on 100. Then moving onto 2013 his possession count dropped to 15.1 (matches other Freo forwards), marks down to 2.6, tackles down to 5.3 (still about what Sylvia could average), goals up to 1.3 (potential tick for Sylvia here if he spends time in the F50) and the most important stat of all, his SC average was down 17.1 points to 82.9.

        So looking at that, I reckon your 87-92 points prediction is looking bang on the money.

      • jimbotraralgon says:

        lets be honest, we will only be starting with 3 or 4 guys up forward (maybe 5 in the mids) that will be priced over 400k at round 1……..young colin will not be one of them.

  8. SCaddict says:

    Yeah fully agree with your assessment Mick. Would much rather spend that cash towards bringing in either a young Libba or Jack Stevens even though they will cost another $100K more.

    Looking forward to your analysis of Big Boy McEvoy and Heath Shaw.

    • Marc says:

      Young Thomas is definitely one i'm looking at next year, even if his Dad is Tony Liberatore, who if I were to express my true opinion of, it would result in me getting my face slapped by every female in the immediate area for using inappropriate language.

  9. ahfeel sikdahl says:

    did anyone win the $1million sportingbet tip 8 cox plate competition??? quartet paid $40k… shamus award indeed…

  10. Suns Man says:

    Jock and Mick another great article spot on the money great stuff