FLESH FOR FANTASY – ROUND 4

Filed in Supercoach Mr Crimmins style by on April 18, 2013 • views: 1066

Hello community!

Hope your weekend was a successful one. We saw the continual rise of Justin Westoff, the return of Luke Hodge and another below par score from Patrick Dangerfield. With price changes underway, fantasy football is back and I bloody love it.

 

Some were also significantly burnt by the like of Ryder, Varcoe, Pavlich and Kreuzer. Many of those blokes are out long-term and really, you have to get them out as soon as you can. This again gives you a good opportunity to get in those high-scoring players you may have missed.

So, without further ado, I give you this week’s “Flesh for Fantasy”.

“GET HIM IN”

 JUSTIN WESTOFF (PORT) FWD – $463,600 DT/$500,200 SC

 - Next 5 Games: GCS (A), WCE (H), NM (A), RICH (H), CARL (A)

– Recent Scores: 100, 163, 150

I couldn’t go this week without mentioning Justin Westhoff. He has come from no-where and surely had to be leading the pack for “Breakout of the Year”. He’s gone bang with some huge scores. He’s averaging 22 touches, 10 marks, 4 tackles, and 3 goals a game. However, I’m still not sold on him. Melbourne and GWS aren’t exactly AFL elite defences, but that said, he did kick 4 on an Adelaide side with much better backline. Sterner tests will come this year, and I really don’t expect him to keep up the 150+ games. But what he will do is be a good money generator. A break-even of -33 with Gold Coast to play this week should see another significant price rise. Pav’s injury opens the door to getting Westhoff in temporarily, and with the additional trades, you could easily turn him into a Buddy, as well as build that warchest.

MATTHEW LEUENBERGER (BRIS) RUCK – $233,600 DT/$301,100 SC

– Next 5 Games: NM (A), MELB (H), SYD (A), WCE (H), ESS (A)

– Recent Scores: 101, 93

I write about Leuey to remind the community this week is the last week of a discounted Matthew Leuenberger. As of Sunday night, his price is expected to increase $40,000. If you haven’t been able to get him in over past 3 weeks (like myself), get him in this week. He’s been scoring consistently high, he’s the Lions clear number 1 and he’s mobile enough to almost play as another midfielder. You won’t find a R2 that scores consistently well like Leuey and will generate cash too – which will help in turning him into a premium ruckman down the track. So if you don’t have him, GET HIM IN THIS WEEK COMMUNITY!

LUKE PARKER (SYD) MID – $390,300 DT/$419,300 SC

– Next 5 Games: GEE (H), STK (A), BRIS (H), HAW (A), FRE (H)

– Recent Scores: 96, 133, 86

It seems as if Parker’s initiation into the Swans 22 via the green vest is over. He’s now well entrenched in that Sydney midfield. He’s averaging 24 touches, 6 tackles and a goal a game. He’s an absolute star in the making, and this could very well be his breakout year. Won’t cop the attention that a Kennedy or McVeigh, and because of this, it seems to be having a positive effect on his game. Swans have had an easy start of the year, granted, but again, the competition’s best taggers will go to Kennedy or McVeigh, which will leave Parker to play as 4th-5th string midfielder in that side. I expect his scores to remain solid and have that breakout year SuperCoach players love. Could be a nice downgrade option for an underperforming Zorko or Dangerfield…or an upgrade from a Varcoe. Given he’s in a small % of sides, Lukey Parker makes a nice point of difference in your midfield.

 

LUKE HODGE (HAW) MID – $398,600 DT/$459, 500 S

– Next 5 Games: FRE (H), NM (H), ADEL (A), SYD (H), GWS (H)

– Recent Scores: 103, 122

With an interrupted pre-season, I was amongst who believed this great game of ours may have finally caught up to a superstar like Hodge. But, as the classics say, you can never keep a champion down, and that’s what Luke has shown us so far. He’s cop 2 of the AFL’s heavyweights in his return to footy, and he’s been nothing short of spectacular. Luke’s averaged 28 touches a game, along with 5 tackles. But the stat we’re interested in is his score breakdown. He has been scoring consistently over 4 quarters, which means he is running out games. Given his lack of pre-season, he will only get better with match practice and should see more scores of this variety. Hawks draw will get easier, which could also result in higher scores for Luke. He’s a quality investment and looks to be in for a premium-type year. Get him in for an under-performing premium and make some cash before Hodge gets too expensive.

 

“GET HIM OUT”

There have been a number of injuries and suspensions to occur last weekend, and in a game where we trade our trades like gold – it’s only natural to consider holding onto them. Here are the blokes you have to get out of your side.

TRAVIS VARCOE (GEE) FWD/MID – $227,000 DT/$257,400 SC

– Out for: 3 months

– Recent Scores: 61, 63, 9

Poor Travis. If there’s any side you don’t want to get injured in, it’s Geelong. The juggernaut is up and about, and looks a serious contender this season. But on Saturday night, he crunched that shoulder and is now expected to miss 3 months. You can’t hold onto him for too long. If you got him, Trav must be traded. You could wait a week and see if Mayes is able to have similar output against a stronger opposition, or you could go up to a Luke Parker if you’ve got the cash to do so. There is where having a war chest comes in handy. Personally, Crimmins would be going up to the premium if you can. Given the rookies that are still generating cash, there’s plenty of time to make money off them. Take this opportunity to bring in a mid-price/premium you’ve missed.

MATTHEW KREUZER (CARL) RUCK – $398,400 DT/$450,900 SC

– Out for: 3 to 4 weeks

– Recent Scores: 113, 109, 35

This will probably be the only time in Flesh for Fantasy’s history that a player will be in the “Get Him Out” section a week after being in “Get Him In”. After a sensational start to the year, Kreuzer has broken his thumb and is now out for at least a month. Not a great injury to acquire for a ruckman, especially one who likes to do a bit of work around the ground. Given his price, I wouldn’t be holding onto him. Instead, I’d seriously considering trading up to Goldstein, or down to Leuenberger if you don’t have him yet. Either way, Kreuzer must go, and it’s a shame, because I reckon this was the year Special K arrived.

MATTHEW PAVLICH (FRE) FWD- $450,900 DT/$533,900 SC

– Out for: 4+ weeks

– Recent Scores: 60, 96, 59

He’s missed 282 of the past 293 games, but Matthew Pavlich looks to be spending a fair chunk of time on the sidelines with an Achilles’ injury. He’s been down on form to start the season, many wondering why. We now have our answer. He looked slow on Friday night and Jake Carlisle wore him like a glove. With a BE of 144, this injury probably came at a good time. You can’t hold onto him, given his age and injury. Fremantle will now nurse him through the season to ensure he is ready for finals time. Also, with his price still in the mid $500k, it will be quite easy to turn him into a performing forward – i.e. Westhoff, Kennedy, Rockliff or even Walters as a POD. So no to holding onto Pavlich for mine, he must go.

PATRICK RYDER (ESS) RUCK/FWD – $441,700 DT/$543,600 SC

– Out for: 3 weeks

– Recent Scores: 54, 88, 145

For the most part, Patrick has been very disappointing this season. Given his ability to impact both up forward and in the ruck, I was hoping for a big season from Ryder. However, he hasn’t really showed up, and that 145 is heavily influenced by the match winning goal v Fremantle. His 3-week suspension gives those frustrated with his lack of consistency the chance to trade him out. But where do you go? You could hold onto him and hope he comes good. But at the same time, it’s a lot of cash to be sitting on the bench, especially a player underperforming. If you have him in the ruck, downgrading to Todd Goldstein could be the way to go, or even further to Matthew Leuenberger. Either way, you must consider your options with him because it is a lot of cash sitting on your bench for a player who hasn’t been performing all that well.

 

“BREAKING POINT”

Going up

– Brett Goodes (WBD), -57 BE

– Chad Wingard (PORT), -66 BE

– Campbell Heath (PORT), -57 BE

– Justin Westhoff (PORT), -33 BE

– Jack Viney (MELB), -16 BE

– Pearce Hanley (BRIS), -5 BE

– Brent Moloney (BRIS), 16 BE

– Callum Sinclair (WCE), -59 BE

– Dyson Heppell (ESS), 22 BE

– Jasper Pittard (PORT), -23 BE

– Ollie Wines (PORT), -29 BE

– Lewis Stevenson (PORT), -43 BE

– Kobe Stevens (WBD), 2 BE

– Sam Dwyer (COLL), -82 BE

– Jaeger O’Meara (GCS), -55 BE

– Brad Crouch (ADEL), -70 BE

– Josh Kennedy (WCE), -29 BE

– Mark LeCras (WCE), 32 BE

– Sam Rowe (CARL), -77 BE

– Dean Terlich (MELB), -59 BE

Going down

– Gary Ablett Jr (GCS), 192 BE

– Dale Thomas (COLL), 171 BE

– Dane Swan (COLL), 167 BE

– Heath Shaw (COLL), 153 BE

– Taylor Walker (ADEL), 145 BE

– Jarryd Roughead (HAW), 124 BE

– Patrick Dangerfield (ADEL), 201 BE

– Matthew Pavlich (FRE), 144 BE

– Dayne Zorko (BRIS), 128 BE

– Marc Murphy (CARL), 120 BE

– Toby Greene (GWS), 122 BE

 

“PUB TALK”

Here is this round’s edition of Pub Talk. I want to send my thanksfor the many questions I’ve received throughout the week. Here is the top bunch for the week heading into round 4.

- @MRB37: Is Mundy worth keeping if he continues to average 90-100? No cash generation, no elite scores

ANSWER: Yes I do, for a number of reasons. Firstly, you want a player in your midfield you can rely on getting good scores week in, week out. No use trading him out for a player who scores massive one week, but then could score poorly the next. That’s point 1. Secondly, if he isn’t generating cash and remaining steady, he could be almost a straight swap for a premium that will go down in price. Keep if you can, will be of benefit down the track.

- @ryanmmurphy: With only 2 trades, is it more important to jump on cash rookies or to offload the dud premiums?

ANSWER: Great question, one that almost has a bit of opportunity cost about it. I think it really depends on the rookies you’re missing. If you haven’t got a Viney, Crouch, Goodes etc, priority is to get them in, because they will generate more cash than what a Zorko will lose. That said, if you decide to go with this route, you’ll be stuck with an out-of-form Zorko for example, and if he continues this form, you may end up being stuck with him. But for me, I reckon go with what will generate more cash, and that is the rookies. These premiums are proven point scores so who knows, may end up rewarding your faith.

- @Every_Day_Man: Dangerfield – keep and hope he comes good, or go to Cotchin and sit back and enjoy the consistency?

ANSWER: No player has driven me as mad as Dangerfield this year. He’s yet to score 4 consistency good quarters, and seems to die out after HT. Cotchin is yet to drop under 115 and has shown that despite being tagged, he’ll eventually work his way into the game – as we saw v St Kilda. SuperCoach is all about scoring (funny enough) so when you’re granted opportunity to bring in consistent scorers, you do it. Execute the trade for mine.

- @timbzy91: Westhoff a three round cash generating and point scoring prospect? Also ditch Gazza for a few weeks if injured?

ANSWER: First question, I’d love to buy into Justin Westhoff, really would, but for some reason, I can’t. Now that I’ve said that, he’ll probably go on and average 120+ for rest of the year. He is yet to play on any real quality defences, and should face a sterner test coming up with WCE and North to come. That said, his breakeven is currently -33 BE, which means his price will go up significantly. He could be a pathway to a premium forward like Buddy who is dropping in price. I like it. Secondly, keep Gaz. While he’s playing, he will be scoring very well. If you’re going to ditch for a few weeks, that’s trades you got to burn, only to end up with him back in your side. Keep for mine, will still score 100+ injury or no injury.

 

That’s it for another week of Flesh for Fantasy. Good luck this weekend. Make sure to follow me at @Mr_Crimmins, and I’ll answer any fantasy related questions you may have.

 

Mr Crimmins

 

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  1. Mr_Consistent says:

    Great article mate!

  2. Hareball says:

    greeat!!!!!

  3. ross says:

    Wish i had more that 2 trades need 4 at least this week!!!!!!

    • Hamo says:

      a 'wildcard' round where you can use as many trades as you want (within the 30 maximum trades) would be really handy for me right about now. They use these wildcards in the fantasy soccer games

  4. James says:

    Who do I field out of O'Meara, Stevens, Crouch, Viney ans Wines.

    • Eugene says:

      Wines is a lock as for the others, it really is a matter of luck!

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Wines is playing GC, lock him in.

    • Matt says:

      Stevens could get a decent score. First non-sub affected score he pulled an 84. This week the Doggies have 8 ins all lower in the pecking order than him so I really doubt he will be sub. Having said this, Im probably just a biased Doggies supporter.

  5. ross says:

    I have been following Jocks rule to only downgrade trades for 1st 6 rounds. Working well & making good money. Thanks Jock….

  6. Zimmer says:

    Mr C.

    Have got Vlastuin, K Mitchell, Karnezis, Ryder, as well as Zorko.

    Thinking of going Vlastuin to Hutchins, and Karnezis to Berger (switching Rowe fwd). Will deal with Mitchell next week (won't lose money) maybe with Mayes (who will be on the bubble.) Obviously that means I keep Ryder for now, (have other issues, so will ride the storm, so to speak).

    What do you think? Any other suggestions.

    • Zimmer says:

      P.S. I posted this in Jock's thread as well, but he never answers, so I'm relying on your wisdom. Thanks.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I like it. You have your priorities in order ie getting Berger and Vlastuin. Also, holding off on trading Ryder may allow you to make money when trading to a Franklin etc.

  7. jockreynolds says:

    Sensational article Crimmo. All those years we sat round sinkin jars and arguing our arses off about Supercoach… knew you had it in ya mate.

    A wonderful honor to have a real champion of the game onboard.

    And for what its worth mate… I reckon they should have given you a bit more of a go down Melbourne under 19s.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Thank you Jock. It wasn't a SuperCoach discussion if it didn't get heated. That discussion about Joel Bowden long ago was probably the most intelligent one I've ever had in my all years. You're best at what you do, and no-one's a greater father to this community than you Jock.

      And as for Melbourne U/19s, so do I. But I must keep on punching. I've found peace in PE teaching.

  8. Dave2008 says:

    BUddy/Rowe in this week for Zorko/Daw? I also have K Mitchell that I would like to turn into Crouch. So should I wait a week for the Buddy/Zorko or stick with Daw over Rowe. There will prob be a couple more rookies on the bubble in a week or so like that Bris first gamer..Mayne?
    Thoughts?

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      If you want to get Crouch in, it must be done this week as he will rise in price. That's the main trade I'd be getting done. I'd wait a week with Buddy/Zorko.

  9. Tom says:

    Should i get rid of dangerfield? Break even on 201 so will drop heaps! Maybe trade him for wingard this week and then trade back in about 2-3 weeks when they are more even??

    Also: who should i trade out of my rucks for Leuenberger:
    1) Rowe
    2) Blicavs
    3) Daw

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I'd trade Blicavs 100%.
      As for Danger, The Mad Irishman reckons he is set for a massive round. Personally, I don't like idea of trading a player out, only to get him back in later on. Back Patrick in, he will come good. If you are going to trade Patrick, it must be for someone who will outscore him and be in your side come finals. Some things to ponder.

      • Moosey says:

        Danger BE of 201 does not look correct? Must be a typo and considering alot of us are looking at trading him knowing his correct BE is important.
        Using a MN of 5140 his BE works out to be = 148?

    • Fabian says:

      If you wanted to trade out Danger, you could swing Blizcavs into the middle and bring in Leuenberger into your ruck division. Could also move Rowe to the fwd line and trade out a fwd who isn't playing or under performing. Rowe and Blizcavs will continue to rise in price so if might be good to hang on to them for a while longer.

  10. Roman says:

    My dilemma is whether to go kreuzer-> Rowe or kreuzer -> Westhoff via Cox DPP… Both will generate me $$$, but question of whether to keep the $$$ on field or war chest? (Leuenberger and blicavs other rucks)

    Other planned trade is kommer -> Crouch.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Interesting question. Personally, I'd go Kreuzer to Rowe, and also Kommer to Crouch. All about cash generation early on, and you can turn Rowe which he hits his ceiling into a premium.

  11. Marcus says:

    Who to trade out???? Varcoe, Kommer, Dangerman or Zorko the non-great??? Please help. Suggestions will be appreciated greatly.

  12. Baz says:

    Who do i get for K.Mitchell? So undecided who to get. I already have Crouch. Help folks

  13. Cold Ass Honky says:

    Downgraded Danger to Wines, and then upgraded Karnezis to Buddy.

    Fwd line becomes:

    Franklin, Cox, Rockliff, Bartel, Kennedy, Dwyer (Neade, Macaffer)

    Considering my rucks are set, I have 5 premium mids already (Ablett, Pendles, Kennedy, Deledio, Mundy) l'm happy to make this move, and then my forward line is very close to being set for the year.

    I've followed Old Jock's advice to pursue trading guys that i believe will finish top 10 in their respective positions..

    After making this trade, I (in my opinion) am fielding 13 guys at the moment that will definitely be top 10 at their respective spots. They're surrounded by solid rookies and cash cows that give me the opportunity to reach the hallowed position of having a premium team by the end of the year. (4000th at the moment, on the way up)

    The logic behind this trade is that i dont believe Danger will end up a top 10 mid, buddy obviously will end up top 10; and wines offers a better cash generating prospect than wines.

    Am i on the ball, Jock?

  14. Dom says:

    Who should I get???
    Dusty Martin or Westhoff?

  15. Fabian says:

    Great Thursday night read.

    Having a big trade dilemma. Out goes Varcoe but unsure who comes in.

    Fwd line is Currently: Franklin, Cox, Zorko, J Kennedy, Rowe, Neade with caffer and varcoe.

    Should I trade down to sinclair and try to make 100k until nic nat comes in?
    or
    Sideways trade to Lecras, who will probably generate a little less cash but will get me better scores
    or
    trade to another Premium such as Rockliff or Bartel?

    Due to corrective trades last week I can afford anyone when I include Varcoe's cash.

    Slightly leading towards Lecca but would love some thoughts

    • Jack says:

      Rockliff and enjoy a solid scoring fwd line with only one wpot to upgrade for he rest of the season!

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I'd go the premium of Rocky. While cash generation is important – you still want to score well. I imagine you'll still have plenty of avenues ie midfield rookies, where you'll be make your cash.

  16. Dom says:

    Is it only mine, but is the website for supercoach slow?

  17. blake says:

    hi crimmo my midfield is ablett,a.swallow, mundy, parker, kennedy, wines, omera, viney.
    should i upgrade mundy to pendles?

  18. EPR says:

    Was almost certain this week that i was going to offload Kieran Harper, who has spudded it, for Callum Sinclair. However, given that Harper has been dropped this week, am i better off ditching Zorko, who will likely fall again, and wait till next week before I ditch Harper.

    I have 1 trade left because Leuenburger is coming in.

    Help would be appreciated.

  19. BlightyTeasdale says:

    Have the misfortune of having Kreuzer and Varcoe, in addition to having kept Karnezis (who I had hoped to offload this week before the price drop). Is it worth habging on to Kreuzer for the month to use as a strategic doughnut? Or maybe trade down to Leuenberger and use Varcoe as a strategic doughnut? Concious of burning trades.

    • SCaddict says:

      Varcoe is the better strategic donut simply because you have more degrees of freedom to play with in the forward line rather than the ruck to better optimise the emergency loophole.

      As to who is better to keep and who to let go that really is a subjective call. I would probably dump Kreuuu myself as having $0.5M just sitting on the bench is too much investment with no return, for my liking, for goodness knows how long.

    • Jon says:

      Get rid of kreuzer and varcoe karni might play this week

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Dump Kreuzer, and as SCaddict said, play Varcoe as the strategic donut till you can get a premium at discount price.

  20. Scott says:

    Pittard burnt me last week with a miserable score of 28.. who should i pick out of pittard, stevenson or terlich?

    Also very undecided with who to pick out of crouch, viney and o'meara…
    hmmm

    • SCaddict says:

      Rookies unfortunately are very inconsistent so it's something as coaches we all have to wear and not get too annoyed about. That's why tactics like the emergency loophole are so valuable if the opportunity presents.

      I could guess for you but would probably be wrong.

      • Scott says:

        haha yeah its a gamble thats for sure!

        • SCaddict says:

          My own strategy is that I generally play the rookies who play first in the weekend (if they are not a sub of course) as you don't want to be stuck in the last game of the weekend or so with your rookie potentially named as a sub with no room left to move.

          But I do also take in account their scoring averages, recent form and the opposition they are facing. It's definitely more an art than a science that's for sure!

          Doubt any of that helps much though. Good luck this weekend.

  21. J Blacker says:

    I've used 2 trades so far, I'm holding on to zorks, dont need to make too many other trades, except for Kane mitchell next week, most likely to Mayes, considering dropping dangers down to Luke Parker, and as dangers is dropping in price, bringing him back in either next week or the week after, is this wasting trades or is it a valid method of bringing more premiums?

    • Rob says:

      That is a waste of trades. You are effectively using 2 trades to make ~$30-60k (and that's assuming danger performs pretty badly during that time). Who would you be dropping in 1-2 weeks to get him back in? Just trade that player directly for Parker and use that other trade to get in a rookie that will make you way more cash.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I don't like idea of trading player out , only to get back in. Hold Dangerfield for mine, always starts season slow – will fire up and could be hard to get back in.

  22. Gillie says:

    Pavlich Out Rowe In then Vlaistuin Out Hanley In! Only players not playing are Kane Mitchell and Brent Macaffer. Worried about Pendles and Ablett??

  23. Wade says:

    G'Day Jock! To trade Shuey down to Hodge and then Roughhead down to Neade/Sinclair? I am looking for cash generation but I'm not too sure on which rookie to bring in for Roughie.. Is there any other options for the Roughead trade? Maybe even a Monfries type? Thanks mate.

  24. Joshau says:

    Could use some help! I'm in two minds as to cash generation or getting in another premium.

    I want to ditch Zorko and K Mitchell – do I bring in two of the bubble boys i'm missing (Crouch and Hutchins) or get Buddy Franklin in for Zorko and then just one of the two bubble boys?

    DEF Gibbs, Goddard, Heppell, Goodes, Stevenson, Pittard, Terlich, Docherty
    MID JPK, GAJ, Watson, Dangerfield, Rich, Wines, Viney, O'Meara, K Mitchell
    RUC Jacobs, Leuenberger, Blicavs, Daw
    FWD Cox, Rockliff, JJK, Karnezis, Dwyer, Neade, Rowe, Macaffer

    • SCaddict says:

      I'm in a similar position wanting to offload both Zorko and Karny. I thought long and hard during this week about a downgrade from Zorko to Monfries or Lecca but in the end I'm going with Buddy.

      Just can't see him dipping much more in price in the short term with a sub 100 BE this weekend. Already have a bunch of cash cows so reckon it's better to lock in another ultra premium in Buddy.

      Also think it would be handy for you to have either Mitchell or Docherty still there to exploit the capt's and emergency loophole in addition to Macaffer.

  25. Supercoach rookie says:

    Very very Interesting. Do you think I should do the ryder to goldstein trade or the ryder to leuenberger trade. Thanks!!!!

  26. phil says:

    should i trade out pittard or stevenson to hutchins.That massive -100 BE is so tempting.

  27. John says:

    A) Trade down Dangerfield (200k left)
    B) Upgrade Atley to Birchall (800k left)

  28. @TheDishD says:

    Great read once again Mr.Crimmins!
    Some very good advice and food for thought, keep up the outstanding work!

  29. footyinme says:

    hey Leuenberger won't he go up like 50 or 60 thousand if he gets like scores a 90 this week.

    • EPR says:

      He's estimated to go up $40k if he scores 66 (his predicted score). So with a score of 90 him will be up at least $50k :D

  30. Callum says:

    If i trade out danger swing goddard,gibs or heppel in to the mids, should i bring in hutchins or hanley? Upside of bringing in hutchins: will rise more money and in 2 weeks i can bring back danger a much lower price. Upside of bringing in hanley: Have a very good premium down back and wont use a trade later on for danger( I could bring danger back in for someone else in my mid, maybe moloney once he get’s to his highest price and still keep hanley?). Any Thoughts, love to hear them!

    • Dash says:

      I’ve had this same dilemma all week. If you believe Hanley is a full season prospect, then I don’t see the harm in bringing him in now. You get another premium scorer and save yourself a trade later on.

      Personally I took Hanley this week and am looking out for Nathan Wright, Sam Mayes etc. for possible downgrades next week to grab the extra cash I’ve missed out on this week

    • Morse says:

      Callem, keep the dangermouse. I know everyone is jumping off him but it is a waste of 2 trades to drop him and then get him back anyway.

      Yeah sure it might generate cash but at the cost of 2 trades, generate cash with rookies using one trade ie Crouch, Sinclair, Hutchins and when these guys break even gets close to their ave then trade them in for a hanley or a premium mid.

      It is a long season and I got caught doing exactly that last year and when finals came along it killed me, don't burn trades to generate cash to only get the same player back in 3-4 weeks later.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Keep Dangerfield for mine. History suggest he is a slow scorer early on, but when he gets going – you don't want to regret getting rid of him and unable to get him back.

  31. Troy says:

    I am trading out Zorko but not sure who to.

    Who would you bring in:
    Westhoff?
    Walker?
    Monfries?
    Martin?
    Cloke?

  32. ABC says:

    I think I'm going to do Kane Mitchell – Brad Crouch.
    Want to bring Leuy in as well.
    Who for: Roughy, Blicavs, Daw or Witts?

  33. Gedransom says:

    I am bloody torn!
    I have $633,000 in the bank and was seriously considering upgrading Kanye Mitchell to a Luke Hodge. The man is a bloody star.
    He has been performing well since his return and surely, SURELY has to not only go up in price, but get better as the season and draw gets easier.
    His fitness will improve and his scores should get bigger.
    BUT…. I am also tossing up the idea of holding the cash for another week to see what players drop substantially in price?
    This would most likely result in a loss in my league though..
    Decisions decisions?????

    • SupercoachSlayer101 says:

      upgrade mitchell to hodge i dont see much point in waiting another week as hodge will only go up
      im in a similar situation i have $600,000 but i have dangerfield and zorko
      and want to get in kennedy hanley, leuey and JPK in one week!

    • Gilly says:

      I am a Hawks fan and love Hodgey, just be careful as he is so important I think that he will be in line for the odd strategic rest. Not saying don't get him just be wary.

  34. Morse says:

    Great stuff ol boys, lovin your work as always.

    I'm stuck with a choice, do I offload Vlastuin for Crouch or Aaron Mullett. Both due to rise significantly but Mullett is averaging 106 vs Crouch just 67?

    Do I take the cash and run with Crouch ( and leave him on the bench generating cash nicely like the NAB teller) or accept Mullett may be performing well in my midfield for 6-8 weeks with 90-110 points each week and then look to swap for a premium who has dropped in value later on?

    Your divine wisdom and guidance here could make my Supercoach year?

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      No pressure for an old man like myself, but personally, I'd go Mullett because he will keep going up in price and will be easier to bridge the gap to the premiums. THAT SAID!! I worry about his consistency, whether he can keep the scores up. Either way, both these players will burn you at some stages throughout year – whether it is Crouch or Mullett.

  35. Nicko says:

    Lads,

    Any help is appreciated from the community. Would greatly appreciate any comments from Jock, Higgo or any others.

    Given Dangerfield's current output and his breakeven level, would it be worth doing the following trade;

    Dangerfield out
    Goodes (swing to midfield)
    Hutchins in (gold coast)

    Not chasing the points, but purely from a financial perspective? Even if I can then upgrade one of my mid rookies back to Dangerfield at a low point, or another premium.

    What do you guys think of this strategy?

    FYI: I have 28 trades remaining. I will also need to trade Pavlich this week. Other ther consideration: I also have Zorko in my team.

    Thanks in advance,
    Nicko

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I'd keep Dangerfield. Proven scorer who historically starts the year slow. Keep him.
      I would trade out Pavlich first – get guys out who won't contribute to score. Then, if you want, consider ditching Zorko. But most importantly, keep Danger.

  36. Gilly says:

    Jock, Higgo, Crouching and Vince, Love your and the communities work.

    As a 2nd year player it is great to listen/read other opinions of people in similar positions but more experience in how to deal with it.

    Looking at making my first two trade of the year, I have a number of so called premiums going at half rat power (Danger, Roughie, Shuey and Zorko) but at the moment sticking with the proven ones. Shuey has avg'd 90 in his last 2 games, Not convinced the Hawks will stick will all the talls meaning the big rough could start roaming around again and hopefully Danger lifts.

    Have been buoyed by nailing most of my rookie selections. This week going to swap Karnezis to Rowe as I don't have a fwd link to Roughie.

    And then the not so magnificent Zorko to Monfries. Generates some needed cash and hopefully increase point scoring. Any thoughts???

  37. J.K says:

    Koby Stevens to Crouch…or save the trade?

  38. chandanrajdb says:

    Hi Guys,

    I am shattered with my 3rd round score…..very disappointed really…..and I need help very badly….PLEASE HELP…..

    Scored only 2118 SC points……L Brown (ADL) and T Varcoe let me down big time….was ranked 3342 before 3rd round and now jumped down to 8703…..really disappointed……

    Please see below my current team,

    DEF: Goddard, Gibbs, Heppell – Goodes, Stevenson, Pittard (Brown, Terlich)

    MID: Pendles, Gazza, Dangerfield, Fyfe, Moloney – Wines, O’Meara, Viney (Matt Jones (MEL), Kommer)

    Ruck: Cox, Roughead (Rowe, Blicavs)

    FWD: Bartel, Rockliff, Zorko, Josh J Kennedy, Dwyer, Neade (Varcoe, Macaffer)

    $483,900 in the bank and currently ranked 8703 overall

    I am thinking of making couple of trades this week and please see below for the options……

    OPTION – 1: Will be left with $339,700 in the bank
    OUT: Zorko IN: Leuenberger (By swinging Roughie to FWD)
    OUT: Varcoe IN: Buddy

    OPTION – 2: Will be left with $306,400
    OUT: Zorko IN: Leuenberger
    OUT: L Brown IN: G Birchall or P Hanley (Which one do you reckon?)

    OPTION – 3: Will be left with only $18,900 in the bank
    OUT: Zorko IN: Buddy
    OUT: L Brown IN: G Birchall

    Which option do I need to be using………….

    I would really appreciate for any suggestion or comments…..

    Thanks Guys,
    Raj

    • SCaddict says:

      Hi Raj. I definitely prefer option 1 or 2 as I reckon Leuey is just too much value to pass up this round before his price shoots up next week.

      I would hang on to Brown as he's a cash cow who had a disappointing round. He's still earning you money though not as much as some of the other cash cows out there but is listed to start on the field again this weekend.

      So I would lean towards option 1 as I reckon Buddy is a must have for all coaches at some point over the next 6 weeks and I can't see his price dipping much further during that time frame.

      However have you considered trading out Roughy for him which would fatten your bank balance? Roughy is projected to fall in price again and with Bailey hogging the ruck these days it's difficult to see Roughy averaging what he did last year.

      Varcoe won't lose you any more money so you could safely trade him for another forward next week or the week thereafter such as a Stevie J, Robbie Gray or a Sam Mayes etc. Anyway this is all just food for thought.

      My vote would be option 1 of the 3 you presented.

      • chandanrajdb says:

        Thanks mate….much appreciated….

        My trades this week will be,

        OUT: Varcoe IN Leuenberger (Swinging Roughie to FWD)

        OUT: Kommer IN: Crouch…..i know this wasn't mentioned in my above options, but need to generate some cash and to have good solid rookie in the team……what do you think?

        Will hold off to both Roughie and Zorko……one last chance if they dont perform then they are gone……

        Will be looking to bring in S Mayes from BL next week for either of them…..

        And thanks mate for your comments above…….

        Raj

  39. Rob says:

    I'm thinking of zorko to monfries and Stevens to cotchin, leaving me with 24k left and a midfield of ablett, pendles, Watson, cotchin, danger, JPK, wines, viney, omeara & crouch.
    also leaving my forward line with cox, buddy, JJK, monfries, dwyer, rowe, neade & macaffer.
    what do you reckon guys & girls?

    • Aaron says:

      Good plan – I got Monfries in last week and he's already awarded me. Also getting Buddy in this week for Varcoe. Wow what a lethal midfield Robbie!

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I like it. Midfield almost set for the year, while there also is some cash generation avenues in the forward line.

  40. Lukey says:

    Great article, loved it! Just how confident is everyone with Hodge as an option! I've been playing supercoach for many years and remember when Hodge was a must have premium in every team! I can't help smacking my lips at him at his price, but he has had his concerns over last couple years! Is he worth the risk? Got Shuey I'm thinking of trading for him!

  41. Carl says:

    I need some help community!

    Trade Rough this week? If so, who for? Buddy, Bartel, Walker, someone else?

    My fwd line atm is

    Cox, JJK, Rocky, Dwyer, Neade, Rough (Rowe, Macaffer)

    Thinking that Roughys ave of 72 just isn’t cutting the mustard as well as losing money.

    Thoughts??

  42. Aaron says:

    Is Varcoe/Kreuzer out for Buddy/Leuenberger a good trade? Or should I spend less on the the forward?

  43. evs says:

    I need some advice community!
    I have enough cash for Buddy now, but I am considering going to The Hoff first while he is still on the up in order to generate some extra cash and get Buddy in a few weeks when The Hoff plateaus. Generate the cash or save the extra trade?

    • Eugene says:

      Exactly the same problem I was facing.
      In the end I asked myself which player was gonna be the one in my team come season's end.
      The answer was Buddy so I went ahead with him instead.

  44. rosco_peco says:

    Fellow Supercoachers,

    I wish my only concern this week was do I trade out Ablett and Danger for other Premo's, but i have a few other issues that need to get sorted first. Unfortunately, my fwd line is severely lacking at this stage with Zorko, Karnezis, and Varcoe all needing the chop. This is on top of Ryder needing to be dumped.

    The Ryder exchange is an easy one – opting for for big Leuberger and pocketing close to $250k for a similar scoring output. The other trade is where i'm stuck, Zorko, Karnezis, or Varcoe to Westhoff, Bartel, Riewoldt or Martin? Westhoff is a stepping stone to a cheaper premium in a few weeks (if not a keeper), Bartel and Riewoldt are keepers, and Martin is a hopeful he can continue to improve.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    • rosco_peco says:

      Should also mention, prior to any trades, I have $320K in the kitty.

      Cheers.

    • evs says:

      Of those three, I'd definitely be pulling the plug on Varcoe first. The other two are named this week and anything could happen, Varcoe is a guaranteed doughnut.

      Not sure who to pick up though, personally I'd probably go Hoff or Bartel but it's just personal preference.

      • rosco_peco says:

        Thanks Evs, if i trade Varcoe, i have Karnezis and Macaffer on the bench (not sure if Macaffer is getting a gig this weekend). I'm thinking Karnezis ahead of Varcoe as Varcoe wont drop in price after this round. This really leaves me with Karnezis or Zorko to drop, with no emergencies on the pine.

        Thanks for your input.

    • Gilly says:

      If you have enough cover i'd trade zorko he is dropping in value and not scoring as well as your suggested replacements. Hopefully Karnezis and Varoce don't play and so don't drop in value.

      I like the idea of Hoff scoring well and rapidly increasing in value. If you still have plenty of trades can use him as a stepping stone or a keeper if he can maintain his form.

      • rosco_peco says:

        Cheers Gilly,

        This is my current fwd line before trades FYI;
        Kennedy, Rockliff, Zorko, Karnezis, Dwyer, Neade, (Varcoe, Macaffer)

        Severely lacking… I think the best option may be Karnezis to Westhoff/Bartel, with $325K left over. Let Zorko drop $20K and upgrade him next week along with Varcoe.

        • Gilly says:

          looks like we are in similar positions i've gone Zorko to Monfries and Karnezis to Rowe.

          I have just checked and Karnezis hasn't made the final cull and so won't play unless a late inclusion. Not sure letting Zorko drop anymore in value is a great idea but you might have other priorities with your trades.

    • rosco_peco says:

      Mr Cirmmins, your advice last week was very beneficial, i ended up dropping Walker (scored ok) and kept Ryder (great result) and Zorko (not so great). Any suggestions this week?

  45. Eugene says:

    Is Westhoff a keeper for you? If yes then take him in before his price skyrockets any further.
    For me, Bartel is a keeper so I went with him instead.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Smart. As I wrote in article – I worry about his output when Westhoff plays against the better defences. Bartel is, well, Bartel – will always score well and feature in big moments of games. That in itself = scores.

  46. Dave2008 says:

    Team:
    Backs: Goddard Gibbs Heppel Goodes Terlich Pittard Stevenson Heath
    Mids: Ablett Pendlebury Kennedy Dangerfield Fyfe Omeara Viney Wines Kommer Mitchell
    Rucks: Jacobs Berger Biclavs Daw
    Forwards: Cox Rockcliff Zorko Martin Kennedy McCaffer Neade Dwyer
    135k in the bank

    Three trades which two this week? Daw out for Rowe ..Zorko out for Buddy
    K Mitchell out for Crouch ?

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      K Mitchell out for Crouch MUST BE DONE!!
      Then I reckon get Rowe in for mine – as he will generate cash. But, if you're impatient in regards to Zorko, execute that trade. Just keeps if you wanna generate cash from Rowe, or increase premium output this week.

    • Jimmy says:

      Daw is playing this week. keep him in!

    • Shaneoo88 says:

      Keep Daw in and trade rowe into the forward line for Macaffer. Hold off on buddy for now and get Mitchell out for Crouch. When Leuy has peaked you can make Cox the ruck and use berger to bring Buddy in

  47. Eugene says:

    Since we're on this topic, I have a question for Mr.C or anybody else who is free to answer.
    Which of these rookies should I field?

    Stevenson/Pittard/Terlich (Pick 1)
    Viney/O'Meara/Stevens/Crouch (Pick 2)
    Dwyer/Neade/Rowe (Pick 2)

    Cheers guys!

  48. Matt says:

    should i get rid of dangerfield or zorko this week. If i got rid of zorko i was thinking either rockliff or martin. but i am not sure i would have enough for a good premium for dangerfield. any suggestions?

    • Matt says:

      or should i hold onto both this week and get rid of kane mitchell?

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Zorko to Rockliff for mine. Dangerfield will come good – has always started slow over the years.

    • Shaneoo88 says:

      If you do Zorko for Rockliff you did it one week late. Could have got him last week before the price change and actually save money. I am very high on Dustin Martin, who is able to give you 70-90 points in the first half alone. Dangerfield should stay in, slow start but back in your high end premiums.

  49. John says:

    Do you guys think zorko to monfries is a good trade?

    • Callum says:

      I was thinking that myself, but then went to Rowe instead for generating cash, you could swap into ruck if possible for leunberger, or maybe buddy? Your preference, monfries if you think he will keep his form

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Risky given he hasn't shown a lot of consistency over the year, but has been very solid pick this year. I say yes.

  50. sully says:

    get rid of roughead? and varcoe got enough cash to get anyone already got rockliff, kennedy, dwyer neade and rowe

  51. Dom says:

    Am I the only one brave enough to hold ryder(on bench)???

  52. Callum says:

    would a currie to rowe be a decent trade? Little worried he might be a good mid season rookie. So dont want to burn a trade to get him back in my side. Also If Macaffer is not in the 25 named next week could be a good idea to get in mayes if he performs well enough.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Yes it would be. Get Rowe in as he will generate cash and also be a good ruck bench option. And I agree about Macaffer – if he doesn't play next week, given the guys still to come back, I would consider offloading.

    • Shaneoo88 says:

      Wouldn't call that burning a trade, you are generating cash. Make that part of a 2 trade deal that bring a premium in. Rowe to Currie, another rookie to a premium

  53. Callum says:

    Bit surprised theres no hutchins on the going up column, -100BE?

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I had him in young Callum, but forgot Goodes, who I believe is more important to monitor given his popularity. But you're right – Hutchins has a significantly low BE

  54. 61falcon says:

    who do i Trade? currently have
    Hanley,Gibbs,Goddard,Heppell,Goodes,Dixon-Terlich,Stevenson
    Ablett,Fyfe,Swan,Wines,Rich,Danger,Viney,O'meara-Varcoe,Vlastuin
    Berger,Blicavs-Witts,Currie
    J Kennedy,Monfries,Jenkins,Dwyer,Neade,Zorko-Macaffer,Karnezis
    Have 600k in the bank
    I was thinking of Witts-Rowe then not sure if to dump Zorko for Cox or Westhoff
    Or do i get rid of Varcoe now /

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I'd do Witts to Rowe, Zorko to Cox. That'll set your rucks up for the year. Hold Varcoe for a week and get a better look a few of the rookies/mid-pricers

  55. Guest says:

    Great read!!

    Torn between trading zorko out for either:

    Monfries- negative be, unique pick
    Or
    Lecras- proven performer, low be

    Thoughts??

  56. Liam says:

    OUT Mundy, IN Hodge- Is this trade too much of a sideways trade or is it good?
    Also what two of these Rockies play Wines, O'Meara, Viney or Crouch?

  57. sully says:

    currie out for berger or Sinclair?

  58. Liam says:

    Worth keeping Ablett? Maybe Ablett out for hodge?

  59. Callum says:

    Hi, Who should i have as captain:Ablett,Pendles Or cox, unfortunately can't use the captains loophole as macaffer is my only player not playing and hes sat afternoon. i was wondering if i had macaffer on the field as a captain and say cox as an emergency, would cox get the double or my vice captain? I knew last year but have now forgotten.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      All 3 are risks. Worry about both Pendles and Ablett given their preparations. I reckon maybe Cox could be the way to go, but isn't playing Melbourne again so consider that when selecting

  60. Shaneoo88 says:

    Question regarding the amount of cash someone should have in the bank at this stage of the season? I currently have $673,900 in cash to use when upgrading rookies.

    This week I have traded Roughead out for Leuenberger and Varcoe out for Rowe.

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I like it – both cash in bank and trades. You're setting yourself up beautifully come mid-season when rookies hit ceiling and premiums have dropped value

      • Shaneoo88 says:

        Thanks, have a good list of potential upgrades on my handy watch list. Round 8, 9 and 10 Buddy will go BANG!

  61. Yo Crimmo! I'm sticking by him for the moment but what are your thoughts on Roughead? I'm VERY tempted to trade him out for Goldy

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I would have been all for Goldy, but he HATES having another ruck in side. Daw's selection clouds his selection for mine. But keep an eye on situation with Goldy

  62. @ndummelow says:

    Hey mate, Ive already gone Wright > Westhoff to get buddy in a few.

    But trading Kommer and swapping neade to mids and dont know whether to go with Rowe or Mayes

  63. Who should I trade Zorko to? Thinking about JJ Kennedy, Franklin or Lecras.

  64. Liam says:

    What do you think about Jack Hutchins? Is it worth getting him in as a downgrade?

  65. Shaneoo88 says:

    Someone to watch this week is Jason Winderlich…he is nicely priced and he could be an option…agree or disagree?

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I personally disagree, but that said, its the beauty of 3 week rolling price change in that we get to have a look at this blokes without a change in price. He could come out and score very well, but before I've seen him play, I'd say no

  66. NomNom says:

    Am I right in thinking that Bellchambers is worth holding for now while Ryder is out? If he scores up 90+ this week, I feel like I should hold as we've got GWS before Ryder comes back. Then look at upgrading when Ryder is back. Thoughts???

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      I like it, but if Tom starts scoring poorly, trade Ryder out – it's A LOT of money to have sitting on the pine.

      • NomNom says:

        Sorry I think my words confused you Crimmo. I don't have Ryder, but I'm wondering whether it is worth keeping Bell until Ryder comes back (depending on scores). I've got Luey as R2 and Cox in the FWD as a swng option. No other issues so far and sitting in the top 700 overall. Thanks for replying pal!

  67. @Mr_Crimmins says:

    Given his crazy high BE, he could be a good option – but the scores may not be maintained.

  68. @TheDishD says:

    Mr.Crimmins need your advice, not really a trade question, but Viney or O'meara who would you have on the bench?

    Many thanks in advance.

  69. Jett says:

    Would Roughead to Leuenberger be a good trade. It would leave me with 432,500 in my war chest. I will be only trading down for the first six weeks.

  70. @ShaunWDT says:

    Who to field out of Viney Crouch whitfield and Jones? in DT.

  71. @HJ_Mitch says:

    Are you going the Captain's loophole this week, Peter?

  72. Dylan says:

    Mr Crimmin's what's your thoughts on Andrew Walker from Carlton. I'm thinking of trading Roughead for him. Also what are your thoughts on Ricky Petterd from Richmond as a cash cow? Thanks

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      Walker interesting one. One of those guys I worry whether he can keep scoring consistently. Would probably consider safer premium options ie Bartel etc

  73. Liam says:

    Trade Kane Mitchell out for Crouch? Or Kommer for Crouch?

  74. henson says:

    G,day there Mr. Crimmins first of all thnx for another great article, read it every week,
    Just wanted to kow your thoughts on this trade
    Out- Varcoe In dwyer
    Out – Zorko In either Westhoff, Martin or Walters

    any thought are welcome

    • @Mr_Crimmins says:

      No worries Henson, thank you for reading them.
      Firstly if you can, I reckon hold off trading Varcoe as he could be a) a good loophole option, and b) get a better look at Mayes and a few others.
      Secondly, with Zorko trade, I'd personally go Walters as a POD. He's a risk, and may not pay off, but at same time, been scoring super well and has been since he worked his way back in side. Westhoff is also a good option to generate some cash. And Martin, well that's a rollercoaster in itself.

    • CHRIS says:

      varcoe to rowe or sinclair (or mayes next week)
      KEEP zorko

  75. Jim says:

    Is Neade likely to cop the vest this week?

  76. nige says:

    Traded out varcoe & Mitchell for blicavs and lecras, had to move Ryder & kommer to bench. Have all the rookies bar wines, with bailey, Jacobs & Rowe to cover Ryder in the ruck. Right moves or is there a better option? Love the insight as I’m a supercoach virgin…

  77. Can you make trades after the Sydney v Geelong game? Can you also reverse them trades?

  78. Jonno says:

    Zorko and Roughead to Cox and Franklin sound good Crimmo? Or should I look at someone cheaper like Andrew Walker, Dusty Martin or Bartel

  79. Daniel says:

    What do you think S.thompson out for B.moloney and then L.parker in and out O.wines

    • Jim says:

      I wouldn't make either of those trades if you're talking about the crows scott thompson. Wines will keep going up and is averaging over 100! Don't do either. Leave your premiums and gun rookies and look elsewhere to free up cash for future upgrades or fix a bigger issue! Just my two cents ;) good luck

  80. Josh says:

    Mr. Crimmins, should I trade out H. Shaw for Birchall or P. Hanley? Can Hanley keep it up or is Birchall a must have?

  81. Jim says:

    I hope you mean the North Melbourne variety? I don't see any point in trading the crow's Scott Thompson. Averaging 111 and is a champ.

  82. Matt says:

    Franklin or Bartel?

  83. Eugene says:

    Who to put my big C on today?
    Pendles/Ablett/Cox???
    Worried about the injuries to both the former…

  84. BubbaNo1 says:

    The Hoff has done it again!!!…..149 this week…..glad I got him in…was a bit worried.

  85. Dunce Yank says:

    Mr. Crimmins. First time SC player. Round not over yet but mind is already swirling ahead. Can you bring it some peace?!?!?

    Too many *donut-ers." Got zapped by Goldsack.

    DEF: Hanley, Goodes, Hurn, Pittard, Hooker & Hutchins
    RES: Terlich & Vlastuin

    MID: Kennedy, Stanton, Swan, Liberatore, Mundy, Ward, Viney & Crouch
    RES: Neade & Towers (rook mistake, I know)

    RUC: Cox & Rowe
    RES: Blicave & Daw

    FWD: Walker, Hawkins, Goldsack, Zorko, Sinclair & Jetta
    RES Curran & Hitchcock

    Thinking:
    Mayes > HItchcock
    AND
    Wright (Nathan) > Hurn or Hooker

    OR…instead of trading for Wright…Gibbs > Hurn or LeCras > Curren? Values of those two are only going to go up. Have $600K in kitty.

    Help. Mind about to revolt!